"more" magazine online is tacking that question in a series of articles and the editor in chief leslie seymour is here and constance white, "essence" magazine's editor in chief. good to see you both. good morning. you have sex, lies and trousergate. >> from 2008. >> it's the most evergreen set of articles we've ever had. >> we had all these great writers from the susan cheever to others write for us and saying what are they doing in response to spitzer and edwards so here is the most evergreen thing and reintroduce it every six months. what is it with these guys. >> it's irrelevant. >> it's totally relevant. >> schwarzenegger, clinton, do they never learn. >> that's why we care, because they never learn and because it seems to be part and parcel of life these days. misbehaving. >> but i think it's time to grow up, guys. i mean really and especially in the e-mail age and the twitter age, all of this, if you think and especially if you're the head of the cia, if you think that this is going to somehow remain undiscovered, that's the other part. do you really today you've seen all your fr